(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[7200]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
GN[ US Open Masters 2016 - W Zirui Song 1p vs B Bowen Man 7d]PW[Zirui (Tim) Song]PB[Bowen Man]WR[1p]BR[7d]DT[2016-07-31]RO[Round 1]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Andrew Lu]C[USGO1 [-\]: Hello Everyone!
wuhuu [8k\]: hi
Nyanjilla [-\]: hi, USGO1...
]RE[W+2.50]
;B[qd]
;W[dd]C[Uberdude [3d\]: bowen is surname or given name?
Nyanjilla [-\]: USGO1: if you put the names of the players in the title, you won't have Android users pestering you for info
USGO1 [-\]: bowen is given name
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;B[pp]
;W[oc]
;B[cp]
;W[qn]
;B[nq]
;W[qg]C[frikulin: b = coolest name ever
lGaia [3k\]: Whi is playing?
lGaia [3k\]: Who#
lemurek [?\]: Why*
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;B[pe]C[Nyanjilla [-\]: USGO1: please edit the title to put the players' names in, so that Android users can see them
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;W[pj]C[Nyanjilla [-\]: thanks
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;B[kc]C[banaan [-\]: helloo
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;W[qb]
;B[nd]
;W[nc]
;B[md]
;W[rc]C[Faitris [-\]: i don't like this result for black
miao [6d\]: black is ok
miao [6d\]: f17
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;B[fc]
;W[cf]C[miao [6d\]: f15 i guess
]
;B[db]C[miao [6d\]: w can think about g15 or just tenuki
Uberdude [3d\]: miao, is b really ok, that wall doesn't seem useful with q10 settled
miao [6d\]: b is ok
miao [6d\]: eventhough i understand that the b player feels a bit uncomfortable
Uberdude [3d\]: doesn;t b normally get corner with q17 in this kind of opening
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;W[ep]C[miao [6d\]: early thickness is not to be underestimated
wolokom [5k\]: oh
miao [6d\]: yes uber
miao [6d\]: i would q17 most of the time
miao [6d\]: but that is because i don´t like having to prove my thicknesses worth
wolokom [5k\]: like me
miao [6d\]: but i think objectively it is fine
Uberdude [3d\]: hmm, there are 14 pro games
Uberdude [3d\]: and no l17 and no q17 =)
miao [6d\]: later p13 q12 f15and build 
Uberdude [3d\]: 2 play m17, but c14 approach is most common
donner [1k\]: Is Mark Lee participating?
USGO1 [-\]: no
donner [1k\]: ok thx
miao [6d\]: hm
AnEye [?\]: will commentary be on a different board?
miao [6d\]: yeah
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;B[eo]C[miao [6d\]: m17 is the most played pincer
wolokom [5k\]: i could not say what move  but around k4  or c7 or onl e 3 i  ask you
miao [6d\]: when u already have kosumi
miao [6d\]: but often slightly overplay
miao [6d\]: anyway it is nearly impossible to say this is bad for black i belive
miao [6d\]: d18 feels a bit too much thoguh
miao [6d\]: after g15 i feel too cramped as b
miao [6d\]: no potential
miao [6d\]: and if no potential b will not play moves in the center
wolokom [5k\]: f 5 g4 what woud the better player say?
miao [6d\]: and in the long run o16 will be a weak group
miao [6d\]: c3 seems principled here
miao [6d\]: as the side is not soo big
miao [6d\]: after o3
Moin9 [1k\]: is there a stream?
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;W[fo]
;B[do]
;W[gp]C[AnEye [-\]: yes. but according to this aga post, it will have different commentary
AnEye [-\]: http://www.usgo.org/news/2016/07/us-go-congress-broadcast-schedule-sat-730-sun-731/
USGO10 [-\]: live stream here: https://www.youtube.com/c/usgoweb
]
;B[eq]
;W[fq]
;B[er]
;W[fm]C[wolokom [5k\]: f7 played against n 16?
wolokom [5k\]: c 7 looks so naturly  but is that wrong?
Uberdude [3d\]: c7 for black ?
Uberdude [3d\]: that is very wrong
wolokom [5k\]: thx
Uberdude [3d\]: d8 is a move locally
Uberdude [3d\]: but with c14 present seems a bit off
AnEye [-\]: probe first at c17?
Uberdude [3d\]: maybe try to get c12 for c17 first
]
;B[dl]C[frikulin: feels even so far
frikulin: b more solid
fool [1d\]: many choices for w now
fool [1d\]: w doesnt feel thin though
frikulin: yes, w lots of potential...
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;W[og]C[wolokom [5k\]: which of them do you prefer?
mihi [?\]: C12
fool [1d\]: feels like good for w
frikulin: i'd just s4 as black and then hope i manage the centre ^^
frikulin: i.e., follow the "cash" strategy he started
fool [1d\]: w is setting up attack on top 
Uberdude [3d\]: gosh very thick move
frikulin: top not big, open everywhere
frikulin: top almost dame
fool [1d\]: its not about the cash but about b stick no eyes ^^
wolokom [5k\]: its more one step behind aggressive nice
frikulin: well, if w drive the stick into the middle, w really no cash
fool [1d\]: if w gets a wall from r13 to k16 in sente the no eyes have paid well 
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;B[mf]C[frikulin: b scaredy pants!
Uberdude [3d\]: ok, white wins this game
profan [5k?\]: Zirui 1p from wich league?
Uberdude [3d\]: from mentality can tell already
nonosse [3k\]: d16 staying thin
wolokom [5k\]: n14 is bad??
Uberdude [3d\]: so soft
Faitris [-\]: i might now as w play f15
Uberdude [3d\]: black could have played at p13 himself, and white may have answered
Uberdude [3d\]: so it's like a double sente now
Uberdude [3d\]: f15 is a bit soft shape, usually can do g15 or even g16
nonosse [3k\]: there is no commentary with the strean on yutube?
fool [1d\]: i dont think b last move show mentality, rather> p13 s4 o14 p16 l14 n7 h17 ? stuff like that?
frikulin: wrong direction, left hand side uninteresting
bert [?\]: n7?
frikulin: who is the strongest player here... Coronel 7D... share your thoughts?
]
;W[qp]
;B[qq]
;W[rq]C[verystronk [6d\]: game is ok for both
frikulin: b missed his chance to s4
frikulin: but if he gets sente here, can develop top / attack top-left
frikulin: so, still nice for b
USGO1 [-\]: Both players have 1hr 7 mins remaining
wolokom [5k\]:  what should b do now?
frikulin: connect, get sente
xhu98 [4d?\]: YouTube commentary will start in 10 minutes on usgoweb channel!
verystronk [6d\]: R5 IS USUAL
frikulin: xhu thank you, you rock!
nonosse [3k\]: is the same channel as the one i watch on utube?
profan [5k?\]: why not s4? show me the tesuji pls
verystronk [6d\]: s4 r5 
verystronk [6d\]: r5 is tesuji^^
fool [1d\]: r5 s5 go 
fool [1d\]: w want corner w can have ^^
USGO1 [-\]: Tim has left the table
enob [13k\]: escaper
Uberdude [3d\]: profan, if s4 do you then take at s2?
Hench [3k\]: b not concerned with corner, but with balance
Uberdude [3d\]: because white cna capture q4 in a ladder
Uberdude [3d\]: and even if not a ladder you have a netty squeeze thin
verystronk [6d\]: uberdude is right
verystronk [6d\]: deep reading! :D
Uberdude [3d\]: but somtimes, that kyu style take the stone is good
Uberdude [3d\]: shouldn't block it from mind entiretly
verystronk [6d\]: yeah of course, s4 is an option but very rare
frikulin: where is this taking place? i see lots of asians
verystronk [6d\]: i would say never in early stage
gosei [2d\]: america
verystronk [6d\]: if u dont like r5 for black u can play q3
wolokom [5k\]: so what to do ?
verystronk [6d\]: if u dont like r5 and q3 u should resign :D
Hench [3k\]: i like o5
USGO1 [-\]: Tim returned with a cup of tea
verystronk [6d\]: s2 is an option too
wolokom [5k\]: ko?
gosei [2d\]: just q3
frikulin: i think so too, just connect, get sente, continue top
Uberdude [3d\]: if connect you normally extend l3, do you really want w to play m3?
verystronk [6d\]: if q3 s5 then....black needs k4 or l3 or l4....or play c12
wolokom [5k\]: q 3 looks bad shape 
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;B[pq]
;W[ro]
;B[kq]C[verystronk [6d\]: now C10 is perfect
verystronk [6d\]: c17 eventually
verystronk [6d\]: c17 or c10
verystronk [6d\]: i would play c17
frikulin: feels like b behind now...
verystronk [6d\]: or c11
verystronk [6d\]: its veryclose
enob [13k\]: c17 takes the corner
gosei [2d\]: its not that bad for both i think
frikulin: c17 for sure, put pressure on b's top
verystronk [6d\]: both already behind hand of god
gosei [2d\]: c11
verystronk [6d\]: yeah c11 looks better than c17
verystronk [6d\]: very hard to choose which one
gosei [2d\]: yes
gosei [2d\]: somehow
Hench [3k\]: d10, obviously ;-)
gosei [2d\]: you want both:)
verystronk [6d\]: i think w will get both
gosei [2d\]: :)
profan [5k?\]: b seems 2 stones ahead
verystronk [6d\]: c17 f15 c11
gosei [2d\]: c17 c12 for sure
profan [5k?\]: is bottom left possible to invade?
profan [5k?\]: c7?
verystronk [6d\]: if W play c17 it means he is ready for c12, thats why i would play f15 by black!
Uberdude [3d\]: there is some ko aji at d3
DMXdawg [1d\]: whats a ko
Uberdude [3d\]: black often likes white to try making territory on lower side with that ojseki because then you can get f2 push in sente to make ko unplayable for w
verystronk [6d\]: c10 is best move to invade bottom left profan
gosei [2d\]: if w play c17 c12 will come
verystronk [6d\]: if u think after c17 c12 will come u should play c11 :)
enob [13k\]: is h17 any good ?
verystronk [6d\]: h17 f15 troubles
Uberdude [3d\]: overplay
enob [13k\]: ok, just wondering
Uberdude [3d\]: if white had c17
verystronk [6d\]: yeah its overplay and troubles, but i am sure we can say its any good! :P
verystronk [6d\]: at least "any good"
Uberdude [3d\]: then h17 could have some attacking potential on f17
profan [5k?\]: is it possible g17 is there a playable joseki?
Uberdude [3d\]: so just invade and barely live in not so exciting
USGO9 [-\]: you can watch the live video stream and commentary by Mingjiu Jiang 7p on our official USGO YouTube channel
Uberdude [3d\]: when you invade its best to have some other aim, like future attacks from splitting unsettled group
USGO9 [-\]: https://www.youtube.com/user/USGOWeb/live
Uberdude [3d\]: so white c17 would be worth thinking about, with aim for h17 next
enob [13k\]: ok, found another move, how about q9 
Uberdude [3d\]: for white?
enob [13k\]: oh, sorry
enob [13k\]: man, I 'll keep quiet for a while
verystronk [6d\]: its good enob u are step forward of us!
Uberdude [3d\]: its okay
Uberdude [3d\]: q9 for black does look at interesting move to start action on side
verystronk [6d\]: btw B q9 is very interesting place
Uberdude [3d\]: for white it's nonsense though =)
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;W[fe]C[verystronk [6d\]: W played beetween c17 and c11, he wasnt sure as well^^
Adria [20k\]: its good this move?
verystronk [6d\]: move this good is ;)
Adria [20k\]: w is not sure on this corner
verystronk [6d\]: the question is how good^^
verystronk [6d\]: now c17 or h16....
verystronk [6d\]: c12 still option
DMXdawg [1d\]: is w strong?
]
;B[ci]C[lepore [1d\]: why c12 instead of c11
lepore [1d\]: ha!
verystronk [6d\]: both similar :)
verystronk [6d\]: c11 maybe better because white already played f15
Adria [20k\]: now w c17 to be safe?
USGO1 [-\]: Bowen left the table
verystronk [6d\]: c17 or g17 or h16, all playable
gosei [2d\]: BLACK IS GOOD I THINK
USGO1 [-\]: Bowen is back with a cup of tea
gosei [2d\]: sorry
verystronk [6d\]: white needs to do something in the center, maybe he s going to play E9 right now?
gosei [2d\]: didnt wnat to be loud
enob [13k\]: what kind of tea ?
DMXdawg [1d\]: is bowen scottish
profan [5k?\]: w could split f17 l17 is that worthy the corner?
GodofGo [6d\]: chinese
USGO1 [-\]: Black tea
enob [13k\]: thanks
verystronk [6d\]: i think it is profan, w needs action
verystronk [6d\]: for me h16 is best move now
]
;W[gc]C[Adria [20k\]: this is action
Adria [20k\]: :-)
USGO1 [-\]: Tim let out a sigh when playing this move
frikulin: i like how the pro commentary agrees with everything i said
]
;B[gb]C[DMXdawg [1d\]: i love you
verystronk [6d\]: guests are the strongest commentators in KGS 
]
;W[fb]C[Adria [20k\]: cutting here?
verystronk [6d\]: g16 e17 h17 e18 
]
;B[eb]
;W[fd]C[verystronk [6d\]: black took corner
]
;B[fa]
;W[hc]C[verystronk [6d\]: i think its great result for white
frikulin: that pro is funny :)
verystronk [6d\]: black lost a balance, he already has a lot of cash, should let white take a corner and keep sente
]
;B[cc]C[verystronk [6d\]: E11?
frikulin: next b invade right and take this home
Uberdude [3d\]: mingjiu makes interesitng point that p13 could actually be good exchange for b, because white could cut as he has ladder
frikulin: feels like game over -- where could w come back?
verystronk [6d\]: center, attack n14 group
verystronk [6d\]: bottom is low
verystronk [6d\]: w can make a lot in center
verystronk [6d\]: E11 is promising now
frikulin: e11 => b invade right
verystronk [6d\]: not easy to invade right now
verystronk [6d\]: n14 is not longer verystronk
Meruem92 [3d\]: n12 seems more...useful to me
verystronk [6d\]: i would play e11 or j15 maybe k16
Adria [20k\]: k15 is good for w now?
verystronk [6d\]: j14 or d10
verystronk [6d\]: 14 are better shape than k15
verystronk [6d\]: j15, j14, k16 i mean 
Adria [20k\]: ok
]
;W[ei]C[verystronk [6d\]: if u play k15 there is j16 annoying^^
verystronk [6d\]: E11! :)
seppuku [3d\]: what do b play if w n13?
verystronk [6d\]: black looks like rich men, but he cant invest his money anywhere, they are all deep in his pockets
verystronk [6d\]: n13 m13 
Adria [20k\]: p6 is good for both no?
Javaness [-\]: Where is Bower Man from? I don't recall seeing his name before in a US tournament
verystronk [6d\]: p6 is nice place but a little out of directin now, the fight is about upper side of the board now
verystronk [6d\]: W trying to attack n14 group
enob [13k\]: g11 ?
DMXdawg [1d\]: is Bowen scottish?
verystronk [6d\]: g11 hmm
verystronk [6d\]: i think black should cut e11 anf f7
verystronk [6d\]: maybe F8
verystronk [6d\]: G11 is attacking move, u really hope to attack e11?
enob [13k\]: why not
verystronk [6d\]: everyehre white stones around, thats why :)
USGO1 [-\]: Bowen is from China
verystronk [6d\]: g11 e9 
USGO1 [-\]: He played in the 2015 US Go Congress
verystronk [6d\]: what next?
verystronk [6d\]: black is very solid as far i think he would choose just d10
enob [13k\]: in that case why not g11 e9 d10 
dogbert [3d\]: bowen could mean "have heard a lot of things, or well educated, worldly etc etc"
verystronk [6d\]: because if u play just d10 e9  u wont play g11
]
;B[qf]C[frikulin: in what language?
dogbert [3d\]: in chinese
enob [13k\]: ah, ok
]
;W[rg]C[wolokom [5k\]: time to fight
frikulin: b take this home easy peasy
nah [1k\]: looks like b is behind and no potential to get back in a game
frikulin: all w hope on centre... and centre is always less than you think
frikulin: w stands no chance
verystronk [6d\]: B n12 or f8
wolokom [5k\]: k 14?
verystronk [6d\]: b is not behind, his problem is only his potential
Meruem92 [3d\]: f9 better style than f8
Vindicare [3k\]: w has a good game ahead of him not a loss at all
dogbert [3d\]: N12 or Q7 if it were moi
verystronk [6d\]: o13 kosumi might bre better than n12
verystronk [6d\]: the more i think the more i like o13
gosei [2d\]: black will is still very good
gosei [2d\]: still very good
gosei [2d\]: for balck
lepore [1d\]: then it's settled - b will N12. :-)
gosei [2d\]: black
frikulin: i don't see how w could come back from this... too late to build centre
wolokom [5k\]: this is not b n 16 gets problemes
USGO1 [-\]: Bowen thinking very hard about the next move
frikulin: oh i thought he was rolling a dice for it
Adriano [-\]: where can i get a schedule?
verystronk [6d\]: W position is a bit better than black, but its also hard one
wolokom [5k\]: n12 or  j 15 but who knows?
]
;B[pk]C[Uberdude [3d\]: there you go enob =)
wolokom [5k\]: oh fight#
frikulin: now b destroy centre, and aufwiedersehen
verystronk [6d\]: too early
verystronk [6d\]: p9 is perfect answer for white
verystronk [6d\]: or p10
dfan [4k?\]: Crazy Stone likes both P9 and P10
]
;W[ok]C[fsuns [?\]: I am not sure about that
Adria [20k\]: now b have to cut?
]
;B[pl]
;W[on]
;B[ol]
;W[oj]C[profan [5k?\]: is there an on line alphago analisys ?
Adria [20k\]: 07  now?
Uberdude [3d\]: not yet, apparently will be in a few weeks
]
;B[ml]
;W[mn]C[dogbert [3d\]: maybe O5 and O9 but not O7:)
enob [13k\]: l8 ?
]
;B[nk]C[profan [5k?\]: to protect cut and making a base to jump to connect or run to center?
profan [5k?\]: is possible to kill q10?
SoloSamson [2d\]: Who are the players?
]
;W[lg]C[DMXdawg [1d\]: Solosamson, please see the top right hand side
MeowDog [6k\]: It's a song with a wierd title vs some new sort of cave man
enob [13k\]: white zirui (tim) song, black bowen man
]
;B[lj]C[Archimed [3k\]: there's a live twitch commentary for people who want that
USGO1 [-\]: Tim looks a bit frustrated
]
;W[mg]C[bert [?\]: m6 
]
;B[ib]C[Uberdude [3d\]: 2nd line ftw
]
;W[mc]
;B[ld]
;W[jj]C[bert [?\]: nice move, k10
Alexei [6k\]: what is the Twitch account?
]
;B[kl]C[Alexei [6k\]: usgoweb
]
;W[mp]C[bluremi [1k\]: who is Tim? Black?
phinkse [4k\]: ...
helectrix [1d\]: ...
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;B[mq]C[bluremi [1k\]: oh I see
bluremi [1k\]: sorry :P
helectrix [1d\]: ^^
phinkse [4k\]: :)
]
;W[kp]C[USGO1 [-\]: Tim has 22 mins Bowen has 13 mins
]
;B[qj]
;W[qi]
;B[rk]
;W[rj]
;B[qk]C[bert [?\]: hmm, b could have played two step hane
Zahlman [1k\]: looks like a tough fight now
Uberdude [3d\]: miongjiu said he couldn't
jinnnnnnnn: mingjiu was saying b can't because white wouldn't atari at s10. w would atari at r9
]
;W[dm]C[Uberdude [3d\]: i suppose you break through q6
Zahlman [1k\]: oh, I see
Uberdude [3d\]: but sll dies and with k3 w can save most of n6 stuff
Zahlman [1k\]: I guess they feel everything on rt side has enough resources to live?
Zahlman [1k\]: but I don't understand this move
]
;B[cm]C[jantje [1k\]: crosscut
Zahlman [1k\]: crosscut seems like the only reason to play here in the first place, yeah
gosei [2d\]: the video stream tells me that he doesnt have a specific plan:)
gosei [2d\]: maybe just attach,and then see
Austin101 [1k\]: Can I get the link to the video stream please?
Archimed [3k\]: what about playing C9 for white?
Archimed [3k\]: https://www.twitch.tv/usgoweb
Austin101 [1k\]: Thank you
]
;W[ic]
;B[jb]
;W[dk]
;B[ck]
;W[el]
;B[cl]
;W[jq]C[indianayk [-\]: they are still in the middle game. what happened?
USGO1 [-\]: we are still in the middle game
]
;B[kr]C[Zahlman [1k\]: ...why shouldn't they still be in the middle game?
noi [6k?\]: any kgs player could have played nine or ten games in the same amount of time
Zahlman [1k\]: maybe that is not a point of pride :)
USGO1 [-\]: 5 mins left for both players
noi [6k?\]: agreed :)
]
;W[jm]C[Zahlman [1k\]: how much does w need in the center?
kannikka [3k?\]: i think around 30 -35 points
Zahlman [1k\]: yeah, seems like about 30 needed to me
Zahlman [1k\]: of course killing this would also work :) but b has s11, so I don't see that happening
kannikka [3k?\]: true 
]
;B[jl]
;W[il]C[Zahlman [1k\]: but it's not hard to imagine 30 points here I guess?
Zahlman [1k\]: 10+ in j5 area seems possible, for example
kannikka [3k?\]: hmm, true, it all depends on how blacks going to reduce
]
;B[km]
;W[jn]C[Zahlman [1k\]: maybe there is some aji against the n6-p6 stones...
]
;B[po]
;W[pn]C[kannikka [3k?\]: why i feel like tenuking this to play something like k14
kannikka [3k?\]: ok, i think too aggressive
USGO1 [-\]: bowen is in byomi
gryholt [8k\]: is k2 too passive?
]
;B[ki]
;W[ji]
;B[kh]C[noi [6k?\]: yes, gryholt. n needs to reduce center
gryholt [8k\]: yhought there was time enough, but an endgame move --....
]
;W[ig]C[gryholt [8k\]: I thought ...
]
;B[ri]
;W[nm]
;B[nl]
;W[rh]
;B[sj]C[USGO1 [-\]: Tim is in byomi
]
;W[ch]C[pipu [4d\]: any results page available yet?
USGO1 [-\]: bowen has 4 periods left
]
;B[bh]
;W[di]C[Zahlman [1k\]: feels pretty ok for w now
Zahlman [1k\]: but lots of difficult yose ahead
kannikka [3k?\]: yea, w seems to be ahead
USGO1 [-\]: bowen has 3 periods left
Zahlman [1k\]: b unhappy with this hmm?
]
;B[cg]
;W[dh]
;B[bj]C[bluremi [1k\]: what is the correct response to w D4?
Uberdude [3d\]: d3
AghoriBaba [1k\]: looks like W lead around 10-15 pts 
bluremi [1k\]: O
bluremi [1k\]: I'm sorry, D3
bluremi [1k\]: w D3 I meant
Uberdude [3d\]: d2 or d4, depending on ko threats
bluremi [1k\]: If bD2, won't white C3?
AghoriBaba [1k\]: k14 maybe?
Zahlman [1k\]: not c3 but d2 (and fight ko)
Zahlman [1k\]: c3 b3 can't win any semeai
AghoriBaba [1k\]: looks W has enough pts  already
Maverik [2k\]: d3 is small yet
Zahlman [1k\]: but yes, still small
Uberdude [3d\]: then d4 
Uberdude [3d\]: note belly tesuji
Uberdude [3d\]: at b2 if white c2
]
;W[bg]
;B[dj]C[Uberdude [3d\]: looks like some clock problems
Maverik [2k\]: btw why b played b10 and not d13
Zahlman [1k\]: you mean for example d3 d4 c2 d2 c3 b2 ? :o
Maverik [2k\]: b10 looks too passive
]
;W[ek]C[AghoriBaba [1k\]: d13 looks overplay 
Uberdude [3d\]: no, d3 d3 c3 d4
Uberdude [3d\]: d3 d2 c3 d4
]
;B[jr]C[Zahlman [1k\]: oh
Uberdude [3d\]: was the avoid ko way
]
;W[iq]C[Zahlman [1k\]: so because of b2, w would have to connect back d4 instead of push c3
AghoriBaba [1k\]: k14 I would 
]
;B[qo]
;W[rp]
;B[ie]C[Uberdude [3d\]: right, b can avoid ko but loses a few points
AghoriBaba [1k\]: ok, close 
USGO1 [-\]:  Tim has 4 periods left
Zahlman [1k\]: is this really bigger than, say, s2?
]
;W[jf]
;B[jd]C[Zahlman [1k\]: oh hmm, b gets in a little further than I thought, because of the g16 threat, I guess....
USGO1 [-\]: Tim has 3 periods left
]
;W[hf]
;B[rm]
;W[rn]C[Zahlman [1k\]: ahh nice shape :)
AghoriBaba [1k\]: b15 now? 
AghoriBaba [1k\]: looks big 
wolokom [5k\]: s2
Zahlman [1k\]: m18
nonosse [3k\]: s2
Zahlman [1k\]: and yeah, s2
]
;B[he]
;W[ge]C[Zahlman [1k\]: since I said that before :)
wolokom [5k\]: ok
]
;B[jh]
;W[ih]C[Zahlman [1k\]: but m18 will be sente won't it?
Zahlman [1k\]: hmm, maybe not big enough threat
]
;B[kn]C[Uberdude [3d\]: s2 is sente because of o5 m5 combo?
Zahlman [1k\]: ooh
]
;W[ko]C[Zahlman [1k\]: but then, b is inviting l5 here, yeah
Zahlman [1k\]: is o5+m5 still a problem?
bert [?\]: m5 not needed
wolokom [5k\]: ah q 11
]
;B[rr]
;W[sr]C[Uberdude [3d\]: it cuts, but w can live until b plays s2
]
;B[rs]
;W[np]C[Zahlman [1k\]: yeah, still cuts after w l5, so now this defense is needed
fool [1d\]: o4 was huge
nonosse [3k\]: f2?
fool [1d\]: j9 k9 j7 h8 k5 j6 o5  was ouch
Zahlman [1k\]: getting s2 in sente not small either, fool :)
USGO1 [-\]: Bowen has 2 periods left
]
;B[lb]
;W[mb]C[wolokom [5k\]: b 15?
bert [?\]: now then, is there something with o12 and l14 for b
]
;B[rd]C[Zahlman [1k\]: maybe now there is :)
fool [1d\]: ah i see now
]
;W[nf]
;B[ne]C[wolokom [5k\]: b is killing?
Zahlman [1k\]: just a bit of pressure
AghoriBaba [1k\]: start ko?
Zahlman [1k\]: w needs a big mistake to die
]
;W[ph]C[Zahlman [1k\]: played safe :)
]
;B[qc]
;W[rb]
;B[bf]C[Zahlman [1k\]: still feels good for w to me
]
;W[dg]
;B[be]C[Zahlman [1k\]: almost 40 in center, yeah? so achieved the goal
AghoriBaba [1k\]: close game 
AghoriBaba [1k\]: B has chance 
wolokom [5k\]: b ahead
]
;W[bd]C[Zahlman [1k\]: disagree
AghoriBaba [1k\]: I count bother around 56 pts 
AghoriBaba [1k\]: both*
]
;B[cd]
;W[ce]
;B[bc]C[wolokom [5k\]: no
]
;W[af]C[globax [3d\]: may depend on w d3
Zahlman [1k\]: ... ok 56 sounds right for w, did b get some points too? I thought closer to 50 before
McMaster [-\]: close if komi is 7.5
]
;B[ad]
;W[fr]C[fool [1d\]: d3 incoming
fool [1d\]: awww:(
tornadotry [1k\]: :)
Nyanjilla [-\]: ^_^
AghoriBaba [1k\]: d3 no need, W has around 1,5 more 
globax [3d\]: so w thinks he is aead
wolokom [5k\]: hm
Zahlman [1k\]: heh
]
;B[dq]C[globax [3d\]: n11
]
;W[ke]
;B[lc]C[Zahlman [1k\]: komi 0.5 it says? I think w ahead on board, but close yes
wolokom [5k\]: no joke
Zahlman [1k\]: oh I forgot b has 2 more captures...
USGO1 [-\]: Tim has 2 periods left
Zahlman [1k\]: hmm :0
Katoan [3k\]: This should have 7.5 komi right?
]
;W[ir]C[Zahlman [1k\]: a12
USGO1 [-\]: Komi is 7.5
Zahlman [1k\]: oh
Zahlman [1k\]: then w no problem imo :)
]
;B[en]C[fool [1d\]: o10 is also big
]
;W[em]C[Zahlman [1k\]: n11 rather than o10?
wolokom [5k\]: o 11
]
;B[ma]C[Zahlman [1k\]: I mean if w plays first....
]
;W[na]
;B[la]C[AghoriBaba [1k\]: q17?
Zahlman [1k\]: sente
AghoriBaba [1k\]: did B lose 1 pt there?
backnblack [1d\]: W + 6.5
]
;W[pc]C[AghoriBaba [1k\]: yes, B misread
AghoriBaba [1k\]: p14 now
Zahlman [1k\]: but still sente :)
]
;B[oa]
;W[nb]
;B[ni]C[wolokom [5k\]: !
nonosse [3k\]: sente?
Zahlman [1k\]: nice call wolo
]
;W[nj]C[enob [13k\]: well, white has to connect at q18 anyway sooner or later
]
;B[mj]C[Zahlman [1k\]: yes, w owes a move
]
;W[oi]
;B[nh]
;W[oh]
;B[jk]
;W[ik]C[whynotnow [8k\]: why doesn't black just play there now
]
;B[ah]C[Zahlman [1k\]: because it's only ko threats right now
whynotnow [8k\]: ah I see
whynotnow [8k\]: no chance of the white group dying?
Zahlman [1k\]: ahh finally a12 :)
Zahlman [1k\]: ... read it for yourself
]
;W[hb]C[Rorentsu [6k\]: which w group?
]
;B[ha]C[whynotnow [8k\]: p17
whynotnow [8k\]: I didn't think so haha
Zahlman [1k\]: it's a fairly plain capturing race
]
;W[ec]
;B[fb]C[whynotnow [8k\]: yeah white wins by one liberty, I think
]
;W[rf]C[AghoriBaba [1k\]: no chance for B to win imo 
nonosse [3k\]: whatever w does he nneds first to connect at q18
]
;B[pd]
;W[pb]C[Zahlman [1k\]: now forced :)
]
;B[fn]
;W[gn]C[Zahlman [1k\]: a13?
]
;B[ag]C[globax [3d\]: d17
Zahlman [1k\]: :D
backnblack [1d\]: 3pt gote
AghoriBaba [1k\]: yes biggest move for b 
wolokom [5k\]: b 
Zahlman [1k\]: 3 1/3 pt
]
;W[ej]
;B[cj]C[bert [?\]: b m14 makes some points?
nonosse [3k\]: p5
enob [13k\]: how on earth can it be 3 1/3 ?
Rorentsu [6k\]: miai counting
]
;W[qm]C[Zahlman [1k\]: no, miai counting would be 1 2/3 :)
AghoriBaba [1k\]: it is 3 2/3 maybe enob 
AghoriBaba [1k\]: :)
whynotnow [8k\]: t8 no?
]
;B[sm]C[Rorentsu [6k\]: ok what's the correct term then zahlman?
Maslov [2d\]: Point to point go
Zahlman [1k\]: deiri, it was 3  directly, plus 1/3 for 'equity' in the ko
enob [13k\]: hm, I have heard of a half point ko, but that's beyond me
Zahlman [1k\]: miai is half that because it's gote
Adria [20k\]: p14 
]
;W[js]C[Zahlman [1k\]: "half point ko" normally means a ko that is really 1/3 point per move
]
;B[ks]C[Zahlman [1k\]: there is 1 point difference in the score, and 3 moves between the end positions
wolokom [5k\]: oh
]
;W[is]C[AghoriBaba [1k\]: just m4 here 
globax [3d\]: m3
]
;B[lq]C[AghoriBaba [1k\]: yes I mean m3
Zahlman [1k\]: lol
]
;W[ln]
;B[lp]
;W[lo]C[wolokom [5k\]: l 10
]
;B[op]C[Zahlman [1k\]: adria, p14 doesn't really help... because after w connects, b will have to protect the o11 stones, and then p16 is sente for w, so b can't make a point at p15 either
]
;W[sn]
;B[ql]
;W[oo]C[scurge [?\]: w + 1-2
globax [3d\]: d17
]
;B[if]C[enob [13k\]: make up your mind, either plus 1 or minus 2
]
;W[jg]C[wolokom [5k\]: pinkel
scurge [?\]: +1.3
]
;B[dp]
;W[fp]C[Rorentsu [6k\]: +3.141592654
AghoriBaba [1k\]: f1
]
;B[ed]
;W[ee]C[McMaster [-\]: SE  W+0.5+komi
]
;B[dc]
;W[ed]C[Piem [1d\]: se dont know aga rules and he calculates with komi
]
;B[kj]C[AghoriBaba [1k\]: what is aga rules?
McMaster [-\]: o   thx
Martianman [6k\]: 7.5 komi?
Rorentsu [6k\]: komi 7.5
]
;W[lh]C[climbtrees [6k\]: American Go Association
whynotnow [8k\]: I think it was 7.5 yesterday
Piem [1d\]: its like chinese if i remeber correctly, but for passing you give opponent 1 stone and therefore result is same in end if you count chinese or japanese
]
;B[ng]C[globax [3d\]: d6
]
;W[of]
;B[mi]C[Nyanjilla [-\]: http://www.gokgs.com/help/rulesets.html
Piem [1d\]: and white needs to past last
scurge [?\]: doesnt have to be
]
;W[lf]C[Rorentsu [6k\]: oh yeah I remember that, aga has really weird rules
]
;B[me]C[Nyanjilla [-\]: no.... they are a logical compromise
Zahlman [1k\]: huh, short game
cjalden [2k\]: white makes last move, yes
Zahlman [1k\]: e1
]
;W[lm]
;B[ll]C[Lugia [9d\]: this game is usgo congress?
]
;W[es]C[AghoriBaba [1k\]: yes
]
;B[ds]
;W[fs]C[wolokom [5k\]: t 17
SergeyASh: l13 
globax [3d\]: l13=2 points
]
;B[pf]C[Maslov [2d\]: W +2
]
;W[re]
;B[sd]
;W[sh]
;B[si]
;W[dn]C[globax [3d\]: d6
]
;B[cn]C[Zahlman [1k\]: ok, finally l13? :)
]
;W[sc]C[scurge [?\]: this is a mistake?
Rorentsu [6k\]: l13 is sente for black why not play it
Zahlman [1k\]: not sente
]
;B[kg]C[Zahlman [1k\]: k15
globax [3d\]: gote
]
;W[je]
;B[id]C[Zahlman [1k\]: see :)
Zahlman [1k\]: but yes, 2 points, w owes a move
]
;W[cg]C[Rorentsu [6k\]: oh yeah, right
]
;B[jc]C[globax [3d\]: why not t15 first ?
scurge [?\]: ok its the same
]
;W[gd]C[AghoriBaba [1k\]: W 70,5 pts, B 69 I count 
]
;B[se]
;W[sf]C[koforlife: W+2.5
globax [3d\]: w had to play t15 before ko
]
;B[om]
;W[mm]C[Piem [1d\]: technically c13 ko can be worth 4 points in end
]
;B[le]
;W[kf]C[Piem [1d\]: but not like b could win it like that
cjalden [2k\]: will need to take care of j11 or h13 also
]
;B[qr]C[Rorentsu [6k\]: oh w owes another move there
donner [1k\]: w +5
wolokom [5k\]: w h 13
]
;W[sq]C[koforlife: dame?
]
;B[kd]
;W[hg]C[enob [13k\]: p2 worthless ?
Zahlman [1k\]: just read it...
]
;B[pg]
;W[od]
;B[oe]
;W[hd]C[enob [13k\]: yeah, I am a bit slow
koforlife: is this chinese rules?
]
;B[qe]
;W[mh]
;B[li]
;W[pm]C[Zahlman [1k\]: just practice :)
scurge [?\]: b+?
bert [?\]: theres nothing to read there
]
;B[ss]C[cjalden [2k\]: AGA rules
wareware [2k\]: u need to fill dames for easier counting
Maslov [2d\]: 2.5w
koforlife: AGA is territory counting?
enob [13k\]: nice game
Nyanjilla [-\]: http://www.gokgs.com/help/rulesets.html
gryholt [8k\]: Really nice
Zahlman [1k\]: official result is announced?
nonosse [3k\]: soon
enob [13k\]: thanks
bert [?\]: nope, not nice
Piem [1d\]: w + 2.5
SergeyASh: b o5 ?
USGO1 [-\]: The players are using chinese counting
kannikka [3k?\]: oh, they are doing chinese countnig
fool [1d\]: 5,5
bert [?\]: b lacked fighting spirit, imo
badges [?\]: are they using aga rules?
DonValley [5d\]: when is the next game?
kannikka [3k?\]: badges, yes
DonValley [5d\]: where is the schedule?
Martianman [6k\]: yea schedule anyone?
DMXdawg [1d\]: 7 est
nonosse [3k\]: aga eules made to chose any way of counting
Nyanjilla [-\]: <gmt>2016-07-31 23:00</gmt> 
Martianman [6k\]: thank you
Martianman [6k\]: est?
bert [?\]: ty
fool [1d\]: the mess of counting 
Nyanjilla [-\]: click on "Schedule" here
cjalden [2k\]: 7:00 p.m  EDT
Nyanjilla [-\]: http://www.gocongress.org/
frikulin: what on earth are they doing??
Alexei [6k\]: D:
Nyanjilla [-\]: if you see the time in italics, it's in your own time zone
scurge [?\]: who won?
USGO1 [-\]: W+2.5
kannikka [3k?\]: they are counting
globax [3d\]: thx from France, usgo01 !
kannikka [3k?\]: oh, ok
gryholt [8k\]: oh,tx
AghoriBaba [1k\]: thanks
bert [?\]: ty
USGO1 [-\]: Thanks for Watching!!
Zahlman [1k\]: otsu~
Nyanjilla [-\]: Thank tou
Nyanjilla [-\]: uh.... you
Zahlman [1k\]: hehe :)
Martianman [6k\]: Enjoy the congress!
Achiles [?\]: thx USGO 
nonosse [3k\]: good job usgo1 thx
frikulin: did w just cheat during counting?
DMXdawg [1d\]: trump wins
Zahlman [1k\]: only one error in sgf! very nice usgo1 :)
Adria [20k\]: how are they counting? i dont understand
nonosse [3k\]: chinese counting. they count all empty+stones
kannikka [3k?\]: they were doing chinese contng
frikulin: USGO tourney... chinese clocks, chinese language for review :D
frikulin: how illuminating
whynotnow [8k\]: rt^^
Adria [20k\]: but stones on the table is not necessary to count, no?
nonosse [3k\]: if you count stones you dont need put back prisoners
Adria [20k\]: aah
nonosse [3k\]: basic idea is we play same quantity of stones
whynotnow [8k\]: and that's why they pass the stone!
whynotnow [8k\]: ahh that makes so much sense now haha
nonosse [3k\]: at the end yes for making same as japanese
nonosse [3k\]: or it could have 1 point difference sometimes
Adria [20k\]: finally who won?
McMaster [-\]: W
Adria [20k\]: ok
nonosse [3k\]: w +2.5
McMaster [-\]: USGO1 [-\]: W+2.5
nonosse [3k\]: i liked b style much more but the one you like doesn't always win
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